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Conversations from our boys' dining table, 15 to 25 minutes each. Newest first.

Married with a 6-Year Age Gap: The Truth About Societal Stereotypes & Maturity
Is an age gap in a relationship a red flag or a superpower? In this episode, we open up about our 6-year age difference—from physical dynamics like playing with our three boys to handling business advice, finances, and…

How we co-lead businesses & keep our marriage alive...
Conventional wisdom warns against going into business with your spouse... yet we chose to build three businesses together. In this episode of Human Up, Pim and Milan sit down to reflect on their first full year as…

How to Stop Fighting: The 3 Rules for a Drama-Free Relationship
Are you tired of small miscommunications turning into major arguments? In this episode of Human Up, Pim and Milan break down their secrets to maintaining a healthy, drama-free marriage—even when navigating opposite…
